However, according to a group that publishes research about Jehovah's Witnesses, which is a religion practiced in 240 countries, the creed has a history of prematurely warning of the "End" - before trying to erase such pronouncements from its history.Monitors point to several previous predictions, such as a forewarning of Armageddon in 1914 – although Jehovah's Witnesses later claimed they had foreseen the outbreak of the First World War, which began in the same year.A spokesman for website jwfacts.com said: "One of the most misleading statements in Watchtower publications is that they accurately foretold 1914 to be the 'start' of the conclusion of this system of things."Rather, 1914 was predicted to be the 'End' of the system of things, the conclusion of Armageddon and the start of the Earthly paradise.""From 1966 to 1975, the Watchtower regularly implied that Armageddon would arrive in 1975. However, ask one of Jehovah's Witnesses about this date and they will invariably deny there ever being such statements."
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Daily Express article discussing June Watchtower ''Rise of ISIS and earthquakes are WARNINGS before ARMAGEDDON destroys Earth''
by defender of truth inhowever, according to a group that publishes research about jehovah's witnesses, which is a religion practiced in 240 countries, the creed has a history of prematurely warning of the "end" - before trying to erase such pronouncements from its history.. .
monitors point to several previous predictions, such as a forewarning of armageddon in 1914 although jehovah's witnesses later claimed they had foreseen the outbreak of the first world war, which began in the same year.. .
a spokesman for website jwfacts.com said: "one of the most misleading statements in watchtower publications is that they accurately foretold 1914 to be the 'start' of the conclusion of this system of things.. .
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2015 convention interviewer praises parents who shunned their kid
by defender of truth inwhat was it that moved your child to return to jehovah?
asks the speaker.. .
well it was the missed association with the family, says brenda sutton proudly and unflinchingly.. andd heres why, i had always told our kids... i would die for you, i love you, would die for you, but if you ever leave jehovah i wouldnt be there.
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“What was it that moved your child to return to Jehovah?” asks the speaker.
“Well it was the missed association with the family,” says Brenda Sutton proudly and unflinchingly.
Andd here’s why, I had always told our kids… ‘I would die for you, I love you, would die for you, but if you ever leave Jehovah I wouldn’t be there’. And they knew that we wouldn’t waver on this. But sad to say, and as hard as it was, we had to cut off all association.”
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Blood Reasoning...
by iwasblind inas we fade we still do studies with people but only from the scriptures.. one study asked about the blood, so we should the revelant scriptures and asked how she felt about transfusions.. she said that "nothing loses it's life when you receive blood so it is fine in her conscience".
love it!
the scriptures clearly show that the blood being poured out was to show respect that something lost it's life.. maybe you can ask a witness, why it is ok to receive an organ from someone who has passed away but not ok to receive blood from a live person?.
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She said that "nothing loses it's life when you receive blood so it is fine in her conscience"
Excellent point. If anyone wants to read a more in depth coverage of this reasoning, see here:
www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/204070001/watchtower-right-about-blood
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Suffering: the result of Adamic sin?
by confused ini am currently having a study with a pioneer couple to try to reactivate me and get me back into the congregation.
they have asked me to really think about the provision of the ransom sacrifice.
in doing so i have gone back to basics and have already hit a few questions i am thinking of raising.
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defender of truth
Here's an entire thread on the question of animal suffering:
www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/222352/theists-why-does-god-allow-suffering
A good question to ask your 'teachers' is this.. Why did God allow animal suffering before Adam and Eve sinned?
Please read the thread for more informatio, and let us know what your teachers said in response ;)
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Updated online Insight book still using offensive term 'Mentally diseased'
by defender of truth inthey have made changes/updates, such as to the 'genereation' teaching, as mentioned on another thread.. and yet this mistranslated verse still remains, allowing the offensive and hateful application of it to continue.
take a look at these quotes from the online insight book..(watchtower quotes are included as well, handy if you don't already know how they apply this term).. bible words indexed (4 occurrences).
mentally diseased, 1ti 6:4.. .
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They have made changes/updates, such as to the 'Genereation' teaching, as mentioned on another thread.. and yet this mistranslated verse still remains, allowing the offensive and hateful application of it to continue.
Take a look at these quotes from the online Insight book..
(Watchtower quotes are included as well, handy if you don't already know how they apply this term).- Bible Words Indexed (4 occurrences)
MENTALLY DISEASED, 1Ti 6:4.
- Rbi8 pp. 1495-1553 - Reference Bible (Rbi8)
- Abusive Speech (2 occurrences)
(2Pe 2:11) But such talk can be expected from those who indulge in loose conduct, those who are proud and mentally diseased over questionings and debates, and those who disregard or disrespect God’s appointments.
- it-1 p. 35 - Insight, Volume 1
- Epilepsy (2 occurrences)
We still use the word ‘lunatic’ to signify a person mentally diseased, although we have long since ceased to believe in the moon’s influence in such cases.” [This is a quote from a book, but it illustrates the general understanding of the term mentally diseased.]
- it-1 pp. 756-757 - Insight, Volume 1
- Godly Devotion (2 occurrences)
If anyone who professes to serve God relies on his own ideas instead of adhering to the Bible and if his teaching does not ‘accord with godly devotion,’ thus failing to reflect the teacher’s devotion to God, he becomes “mentally diseased.”
- it-1 pp. 971-973 - Insight, Volume 1
- Understanding (2 occurrences)
He is not like those in the apostle Paul’s day who assumed to be teachers of others but were “puffed up with pride, not understanding anything,” unwisely letting themselves become “mentally diseased over questionings and debates about words,” things that produce disunity and a host of bad results.
- it-2 pp. 1138-1141 - Insight, Volume 2
- Will You Heed Jehovah’s Clear Warnings? (2 occurrences)
Well, apostates are “mentally diseased,” and they seek to infect others with their disloyal teachings.
- w11 7/15 pp. 15-19 - The Watchtower—2011
- Will You Pay Attention to Jehovah’s Clear Warnings? (2 occurrences)
The Bible says that apostates are mentally diseased and that they use their teachings to make others think like them.
- ws11 7/15 pp. 10-16 - The Watchtower (Simplified)—2011
- Make Your Advancement Manifest (2 occurrences)
Paul described such individuals as being “puffed up with pride, not understanding anything, but being mentally diseased over questionings and debates about words.”
- w09 12/15 pp. 11-15 - The Watchtower—2009
- Keep Practicing the Things You Have Learned (2 occurrences)
(Philippians 3:17; Hebrews 5:14) Instead of being “mentally diseasedover questionings and debates about words,” they continued moving ahead in their positive course of godly devotion.
- w02 9/15 pp. 15-20 - The Watchtower—2002
- Firmly Uphold Godly Teaching (2 occurrences)
(1 Timothy 6:5; Galatians 5:15) Of those who caused these arguments, Paul wrote: “If any man teaches other doctrine and does not assent to healthful words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, nor to the teaching that accords with godly devotion, he is puffed up with pride, not understanding anything, but being mentally diseased over questionings and debates about words.
- w00 5/1 pp. 8-12 - The Watchtower—2000
- 1 Timothy (2 occurrences)
- Rbi8 1 Timothy 1:1-6:21 - Reference Bible (Rbi8)
m.wol.jw.org/en/wol/s/r1/lp-e?q=mentallydiseased&p=par
And for anyone who claims they are 'just quoting the Bible', see this list of translations of the same verse. Do they say 'mentally diseased'? :
www.biblehub.com/1_timothy/6-4.htm
Newspaper coverage here:
m.huffpost.com/us/entry/985479
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/war-of-words-breaks-out-among-jehovahs-witnesses-2361448.html
Interesting video here:
m.youtube.com/watch?v=ni1U_5nw3kI&fulldescription=1&hl=en&client=mv-google&gl=US -
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Jehovahs Witnesses Tax Exemption in Fishkill, more burden on taxpayers without any benefit to the community..
by defender of truth infishkill the jehovah's witnesses have obtained a partial tax exemption for the rivercrest luxury apartments that the religious group bought last year, and have now purchased an adjacent waterfront property, both in the town of fishkill.. the effect on taxpayers is a shift of the burden for the lost taxes to all other taxpaying shoulders, plus a probable increase in that shift next year.
the loss so far to the town is about $55,000, with other sums snipped from the tax bases of the beacon city school district, the chelsea fire district and dutchess county.. and, it likely means that jehovah's witnesses will come forward with plans for how they'd like to develop the land that they acquired march 13.. the poughkeepsie journal.
jehovah's witnesses eye buying fishkill site for church complexthe two properties sit next to each other in the brockway section of the town, overlooking the hudson river and west of route 9d.. rivercrest apartments is a 250-unit luxury rental complex that the town's assessor values at $31 million.
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Any thoughts on potential issues the IRS would be interested in hearing about?
Anyway, here are 2 articles of interest:
www.thefederalist.com/2015/05/07/religious-nonprofits-plan-now-for-tax-exemption-battles/
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Are You a 607 BCE Specialist?
by God_Delusion inhi guys & gals,.
we're currently preparing for the season finale of the show (to be recorded on sunday, may 24th at 2pm eastern time nyc / 6pm uk time / 4am sydney time.. as we're going to (finally) be covering 607 bce in detail, we're looking for a specialist (or two) that can come on the show and tell everyone about this almighty doctrine.
if you know your 587 from your 607 and why the 1914 and 1919 dates are important to jws (although most have no idea why), please send us an email to [email protected], using "i'm a 607er" in the subject line and let us know why we should pick you as a guest on the season finale.. can't wait to hear from you!.
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This is our resident expert..
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Jehovahs Witnesses Tax Exemption in Fishkill, more burden on taxpayers without any benefit to the community..
by defender of truth infishkill the jehovah's witnesses have obtained a partial tax exemption for the rivercrest luxury apartments that the religious group bought last year, and have now purchased an adjacent waterfront property, both in the town of fishkill.. the effect on taxpayers is a shift of the burden for the lost taxes to all other taxpaying shoulders, plus a probable increase in that shift next year.
the loss so far to the town is about $55,000, with other sums snipped from the tax bases of the beacon city school district, the chelsea fire district and dutchess county.. and, it likely means that jehovah's witnesses will come forward with plans for how they'd like to develop the land that they acquired march 13.. the poughkeepsie journal.
jehovah's witnesses eye buying fishkill site for church complexthe two properties sit next to each other in the brockway section of the town, overlooking the hudson river and west of route 9d.. rivercrest apartments is a 250-unit luxury rental complex that the town's assessor values at $31 million.
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(Please see question in previous post before reading this)" To be tax-exempt under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, an organization must be organized and operated exclusively for exempt purposes set forth in section 501(c)(3), and none of its earnings may inure to any private shareholder or individual."
www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Charitable-Organizations/Exemption-Requirements-Section-501%28c%29%283%29-Organizations"The term charitable is used in its generally accepted legal sense and includes:
www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Charitable-Organizations/Exempt-Purposes-Internal-Revenue-Code-Section-501(c)(3)
relief of the poor, the distressed, or the underprivileged; advancement of religion; advancement of education or science; erecting or maintaining public buildings, monuments, or works; lessening the burdens of government; lessening neighborhood tensions; eliminating prejudice and discrimination; defending human and civil rights secured by law; and combating community deterioration and juvenile delinquency."
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The Searcher made this point on another thread:" Giving people free literature/studies of a religion's beliefs, should not, and does not merit charitable status!
A close scrutiny by the IRS/HMRC into such money-making entities will quickly establish whose lives are being improved more substantially from the donations/business practices - the ones running the 'charity', or people who are genuinely in need of day-day necessities and care. "
Interesting point.
Note one of the violations, on the form, that the IRS would be interested in hearing about:" NATURE OF VIOLATION: Directors/ officers/persons are using income/assets or personal gain "
... I wonder if there may be evidence of this somewhere?
Anyway, I'm just going to leave you all with the form to send, if you know that the Governing Body use any funds/assets for their own personal gain, or if you have any evidence that not all the funds/assets of the organisation are used for 'advancement of religion'.
The address to send it to is on there, and the IRS will confirm that they have received your complaint by letter. The form states that you can check a box if you are concerned about your identity being disclosed. It also states that you can put 'Anonymous' instead of your name.
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Jehovahs Witnesses Tax Exemption in Fishkill, more burden on taxpayers without any benefit to the community..
by defender of truth infishkill the jehovah's witnesses have obtained a partial tax exemption for the rivercrest luxury apartments that the religious group bought last year, and have now purchased an adjacent waterfront property, both in the town of fishkill.. the effect on taxpayers is a shift of the burden for the lost taxes to all other taxpaying shoulders, plus a probable increase in that shift next year.
the loss so far to the town is about $55,000, with other sums snipped from the tax bases of the beacon city school district, the chelsea fire district and dutchess county.. and, it likely means that jehovah's witnesses will come forward with plans for how they'd like to develop the land that they acquired march 13.. the poughkeepsie journal.
jehovah's witnesses eye buying fishkill site for church complexthe two properties sit next to each other in the brockway section of the town, overlooking the hudson river and west of route 9d.. rivercrest apartments is a 250-unit luxury rental complex that the town's assessor values at $31 million.
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Can anyone please explain what all this means? (In relation to getting the IRS to hopefully examine the Watchtower organisation).."The term integrated auxiliary of a church refers to a class of organizations that are related to a church or convention or association of churches, but are not such organizations themselves. "
www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Churches-&-Religious-Organizations/Integrated-Auxiliary-of-a-Church--Defined
The restrictions on church enquiries "do not apply to integrated auxiliaries of a church."
Also..
"They do not apply to related persons or organizations."
http://www.irs.gov/Charities-&-Non-Profits/Churches-&-Religious-Organizations/Restrictions-on-Church-Inquiries-and-Examinations
There is more information here:
http://blog.cricpa.com/index.php/2015/04/21/churches-are-different-to-the-irs-special-rules-limiting-irs-audit-authority/ -
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Is anyone interested in getting a full financial report on the WTBTS of Britain?
by defender of truth inthis report provides information on watch tower bible and tract society of britain including:*.what their money is spent on*.amount raised for every 1 spent on fundraising*.5 year financial information*.how your donation helps.
here you can request the free report:www.charitychoice.co.uk/charity-report/watch-tower-bible-and-tract-society-of-britain-68372.
and this is a link to purchase a full in-depth report:http://choice.charityfinancials.com/store/buyreport.aspx?cn=1077961.
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I cannot do this myself, or I would. Hope someone finds the info useful..